Hellenismos and the "Olympic Games" problem.

[PeacockFairy]

Its not about Tibet or China per se. Its about any country and the rights of any people.

Of course not........
..........It is not about Tibet or China, it is about any people with such an insidious moral who turn against those who gave them some human dignity.
This is but a small example of hypocrisy, .............

This talk looks very familiar. Astalon? Is that you?

For your sake, I'm going to assume you're not, because immediate thread-jacking about his "pet issues" (which, as I recall, include the alleged "horrors" that is Tibet) is one of Astalon's trademarks. So as a quick administrator warning, I'm going to advise you to step away from this thread, cease all discussion about Tibet, and head over to "Introductions" and tell us a little about yourself.

Thanks.

No.
And, if you would be so kind an reread the text you'll see it is not about Tibet but about hypocrisy against the Hellenic Mind.
I just picked up Lesleys quotation about Tibet, and the aborted participation of tibetan dissidents in the Olympic games to explain the point.
Did I something wrong?


My name is Argonavtis, Argonaut. Sailing around with Gods and Heroes.
Need to know more?

Regards.
A.

Wow. The exact opposite of what I requested of you -- being that you leave this thread alone and head over to the "Introductions" sub-forum. Seven-day probation. If you fail again, four-day suspension. I'm really not in the mood for people whose only apparent purpose here is to be combative with users who have earned the respect of myself and others here.

[Argonavtis]

A.[/quote]
Wow. The exact opposite of what I requested of you -- being that you leave this thread alone and head over to the "Introductions" sub-forum. Seven-day probation. If you fail again, four-day suspension. I'm really not in the mood for people whose only apparent purpose here is to be combative with users who have earned the respect of myself and others here.[/quote]

You didn't tell me yet what's wrong about my arguments but already begin to mobbing me out, the same way I experienced with Hellenismos.us!

I may have been combative but haven't been insolent or quarrelsome. So I don't understand this kind of "protectionism" that you are practicing here.

Further I'm very sorry about your "mood", but the Hellenic Spirit is very combative.
Greeks have been what they were not because of nice chatting but because of their fierceness, fighting what they thought it was wrong. Philosophy came later.
But you are against that basic hellenic virtue, aren't you?

I'll make it easier for you: either you face this question here in a "Hellenic" manner, without authoritative outbursts, of an unmistakable christian hue, or you shut me straight away out and go on here, playing something that you are not.
I don't mind, there are many around like that.
So, please. Act!
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[PeacockFairy]

Wow. The exact opposite of what I requested of you -- being that you leave this thread alone and head over to the "Introductions" sub-forum. Seven-day probation. If you fail again, four-day suspension. I'm really not in the mood for people whose only apparent purpose here is to be combative with users who have earned the respect of myself and others here.

You didn't tell me yet what's wrong about my arguments but already begin to mobbing me out, the same way I experienced with Hellenismos.us!

I may have been combative but haven't been insolent or quarrelsome. So I don't understand this kind of "protectionism" that you are practicing here.

Further I'm very sorry about your "mood", but the Hellenic Spirit is very combative.
Greeks have been what they were not because of nice chatting but because of their fierceness, fighting what they thought it was wrong. Philosophy came later.
But you are against that basic hellenic virtue, aren't you?

I'll make it easier for you: either you face this question here in a "Hellenic" manner, without authoritative outbursts, of an unmistakable christian hue, or you shut me straight away out and go on here, playing something that you are not.
I don't mind, there are many around like that.
So, please. Act!
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Sugar, if you're going to dare me to ban you, I will.

By the way, just so that you and anybody else of similar mindset knows:

As much as I disagree with Tim Alexander, both philosophically and about the way he runs his website, on occasion, I've been known to agree with the man; that's right, as much as I've locked horns with that man, on occasion, I've known him to be right about something. If you ask me, usually he's been in the wrong to banish people from his forum, but sometimes he's been right to -- after all, a stopped watch is still relevant two minutes a day.

You talk about how being "combative" is how ostensibly "real" Hellenes act, and yet you also admit that philosophy and discourse came later -- id est, that there was growth. I don't have to explain why I'm telling you to back off this thread, the fact alone that I'm telling you to do so should be enough to step back and take a minute to think about it, and if you're still confused, perhaps be civil about asking. This isn't a warzone, honey -- this is an Internet forum with a mission statement of civil discourse. It might behove you to learn the difference between the two.

[Argonaut]

Sugar, if you're going to dare me to ban you, I will.

By the way, just so that you and anybody else of similar mindset knows:

As much as I disagree with Tim Alexander, both philosophically and about the way he runs his website, on occasion, I've been known to agree with the man; that's right, as much as I've locked horns with that man, on occasion, I've known him to be right about something. If you ask me, usually he's been in the wrong to banish people from his forum, but sometimes he's been right to -- after all, a stopped watch is still relevant two minutes a day.

You talk about how being "combative" is how ostensibly "real" Hellenes act, I don't have to explain why I'm telling you to back off this thread, the fact alone that I'm telling you to do so should be enough to step back and take a minute to think about it, and if you're still confused, perhaps be civil about asking.

Look Faggot, I'm either your Sugar nor your Honey.

But I didn't come back because of that, but because of all the nonsense you wrote in your finishing discourse.

Related to Tim and him being right "in something": Every goddamm stupid on this World has always some right about something. Why shouldn't Tim "be right" about something, not being stupid of course, but just trying to posses the Hellenic spirit. The problem arises trying to be intelligent, which is quite another question.

About that:

and yet you also admit that philosophy and discourse came later -- id est, that there was growth.

It has nothing to do with "Growth" but with a Hierarchy of things. You are first a Warrior and then a Philosopher, and this every moment of life and history. Catch the point, or are you trying to invent some new "Hellenic model" that fits your own personal virtues?

This isn't a warzone, honey -- this is an Internet forum with a mission statement of civil discourse.

Being combative, to use still your expression, has nothing to do with making "War".
Are you bereft of your wits or are you out of arguments?

It might behove you to learn the difference between the two.

The same way would behove you to learn the difference between a wannabe Hellen and to become one. It is not enough to wear the Chiton and recite hymns to the Gods.

PS: You still didn't explain "what" did I do wrong out of disobeying your orders. Now it doesn't matter, but you didn't anyway.

Farewell.

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[PeacockFairy]

And now I've banned by IP.

Are you going for a new record or something?

Flail, little FailSpartan, flail.

[Lesley]

I apologise that my mention of Tibet caused this problem. I really did not mean it to. It was really only an example.

[PeacockFairy]

I apologise that my mention of Tibet caused this problem. I really did not mean it to. It was really only an example.

That's really sweet of you to offer an apology, but he was responsible for his own behaviour and whatever moods he brought to the thread. He was obviously only here to wage his hate-crush on Tibet, whereas a rational person, even one who recognises Tibet's cultural issues, could tell that your own intent was simply to add an example to the conversation.

[Aias]

I guess the preceding exchange just illustrates how Coubertin's inspiration always seems to get hijacked by modern times and modern issues. It's a pity, but the Hellenic concept of an "Olympic" agon is just going to have to be reconstructed in a way that reaffirms its values without getting entangled in contemporary--and unHellenic--disputes.

Any suggestions?

Perhaps a discrete revival of the Nemean games? Perhaps by viewing sports competitions as competitions of an individual nature in which activities are viewed as art forms intended to leave a legacy of lovely memories to the participants?

Instead of Olympics, maybe we should name some form of competition for another array of "peak" individual achievements? The Muses dwelled on Helicon. The Heliconian Games?

It would have to be under the authority of a Hellenist organization. I can't think of any governmental or corporate agency outside of Hellenismos for which I have sufficient respect or affection or in which I have any real trust. Even in Hellenismos there are certainly those who might want to make something out of such "games" or "exhibitions" that would be extraneous to Hellenismos and a likely source of conflict within Hellenismos.

Such an Agon might be in the realm of cloudy speculation, but it's still worth thinking about.